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>**Rama was born in Ayodhya 8120 years ago.** Indians are proud that their ancient nation has been worshipping the same God for thousands of years, while others are worshipping different Gods each century. * **Not the oldest**: Hindus are not worshipping the oldest God. At the time of the Ramayana (about 8000 years ago), the Sumerians already worshipped over 800 Gods. * **Not the same God**: The Ramayana was not about worshipping Rama. Even the Mahabharata which followed much later did not stress the worship of either Krishna or Rama as Gods. According to it, Lord Krishna was only an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. It was not until the Bhakti Movement of the Middle Ages that the worship of Rama and Krishna as Gods became widespread. * **Not Hindu Gods**: Rama and Krishna were not Hindu Gods. Hinduism did not exist in those days. To bring the Pandavas and the Kauravas together, Lord Krishna spoke about the Trimurtis but did not mention the word Hindu. The word India was also unheard of, since the nation was called Jambudvipa then. >**He was not born on January 14.** Indians celebrate Makar Sankranti on January 14-15. This ancient harvest festival precedes the Ramayana. * **Tamils do not celebrate it**: Makar Sankranti is unheard of in South India. The Tamils celebrate the Thai Pongal instead, and on different dates. * **Other Indians ignore it**: Contrary to Makar Sankranti, both Makara Jyothi (January 14 in Kerala) and Bogi (January 13 in Andhra Pradesh) are not part of the ancient harvest festival. The Assamese celebrate it as Magh Bihu on January 14-15, the Telugus as Kanuma on January 15-16, while the North Indians and Goans ignore it altogether. >**He was not born on December 23.** Indians celebrate his birthday on December 23, January 8, January 9 or even January 14. * **Not in the Vedas**: It is said that his date of birth was mentioned in the Vedas. But there is no mention of his birthdate in the Vedas. According to the Ramayana, he was born in the year 5114 BC. If true, this means that his birthdate was on December 5, not December 23. In fact, the Ramayana does not mention December at all. * **Not in the Ramayana**: For a very important event, there is no mention of Rama’s birthdate at all in the Ramayana. * **Not in the Mahabharata**: For a very important event, there is no mention of Rama’s birthdate at all in the Mahabharata either. >**Krishna was born 7 years after Rama.** Similarly, his birthday is celebrated on different dates. According to the Mahabharata, Krishna was born in the year 3227 BC. If true, this means that the Krishnas were younger than the Ramas. If Rama and Krishna were Gods, then the Krishnas must be younger than the Ramas. * **Indian calendars are recent**: There are several Indian calendars, each giving different dates for his birthdays. The Vikram Samwat used in North India is one of the oldest, but it was only created in 58 BC, thousands of years after Rama and Krishna were born. The Malayalam calendar used in Kerala began in 825 AD, the Telugu calendar in 1136 AD, the Tamil calendar in 1430 AD and the Assamese calendar in 1615 AD. * **Not a harvest festival**: His birthdays are not harvest festivals, unlike Makar Sankranti. This could mean that Rama and Krishna were not born in post-harvest seasons. * **Not widely celebrated**: His birthdays are not widely celebrated in India; only a small minority does. If Rama and Krishna were Gods, then almost everyone should celebrate those days. >**Their birthdays contradict the Ramayana.** These birthdays are not found in the ancient Ramayana. According to the Ramayana, Rama and Krishna were born in different seasons. * **Not in autumn**: Rama was born in April-May, while Krishna was born in August-September. This is according to the Ramayana. So their birthdays should be in April-May and August-September, not in December or January. * **Not in the Chaitra month**: The Ramayana is clear that Rama was born in the Chaitra month and in a spring season. A spring season contradicts the Indian winter in December, and the Chaitra month begins on March 22 and ends on April 21. * **Not in the Shravana month**: It is also clear from the Ramayana that Krishna was born in the Shravana month and in a summer-monsoon season. A summer-monsoon season contradicts the Indian winter in December, and the Shravana month begins on July 23 and ends on August 22. >**Their birthdays contradict the Mahabharata.** These birthdays are also not found in the Mahabharata. According to it, Rama and Krishna were born in different months. * **Not in December**: Ironically, December does not even exist in the Mahabharata. If it did, then it must have been one of the months in the autumn season of Sharad. Yet the Mahabharata says that Rama was born in a spring season, not in the autumn season of Sharad. * **Not in January**: The Mahabharata is clear that Krishna was born in the Shravana month. A winter month like January contradicts a summer-monsoon month like Shravana, which begins on July 23 and ends on August 22. >**January 12 is their real birthday.** The ancient harvest festival of Makar Sankranti celebrates the birthdays of Rama and Krishna. * **From Mesopotamia**: This festival is also celebrated in each country of South Asia, from Afghanistan to Myanmar. It was brought from Mesopotamia, via the Silk Road. So these birthdays are not from Indians, but from the ancient Sumerians. * **3000 years older**: Celebrated by the Sumerians since 2000 BC, this festival is as old as the Pyramids of Giza. So the birthdays of Rama and Krishna are about 3000 years older than claimed. * **From the Babylonians**: January 12 would have been the winter solstice then. This date was changed to January 14 by the Babylonians when they introduced the leap year, as part of their lunisolar calendar. * **An exact date**: Makar Sankranti is celebrated on January 14-15. So while we do not know the exact date for the birthdays of Rama and Krishna, the birthdays of the ancient Sumerian Gods are known: January 13-14 in Babylon and January 11-12 in Assyria.

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