MGTOW culture is self defeating.

MGTOW is not self defeating because women are out to fuck over men, or because of hypergamy or anything like that. Women being manipulative, men being disposable has been a reality for millions of years of human history. <br><br>MGTOW is self defeating because it’s been overrun by bitter assholes who try to bring others down because “women are evil and put me through a ton of trauma”. <br><br><br>We are a sub where people come to after experiencing traumatic events, or to learn more about the reality of the modern world. But many of us think MGTOW is about having an echo chamber to reinforce hateful rhetoric and bring others down to feel better. We see men every single day who call out other MGTOW for dating or marrying “stupid tradthots who are just with you for your money”. We see people calling out men for watching p***n or visiting strippers, because it’s some kind of unforgivable sin and it “supports the feminist system”. <br><br>Shitty and unconfident men who try to bring others down to build themselves up, and bitter assholes who have the audacity to say they care about men’s rights, but are actually just hoping that it will bring change because they were wronged. <br><br>Nothing will improve for men by shaming men into hiding in a cave and having nobody to talk to. Nothing will improve for men if we shame men into not having any Interactions with women at all.<br><br>If your idea of advocacy of men is shaming others for not living up to your level of asceticism and anti-human hatred, then you’re just a piece of shit.