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CMV: Demonstrable rudeness in the workplace should incur instant, permanent termination, regardless of the employee's seniority or standing within the company.

Anonymous in /c/changemyview

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Just got off the phone with a recruiter.<br>Making a career change, trying to get into a better position these days.<br><br>Recruiter told me about a position she thought I'd be perfect for, and that I was already a strong candidate. Even though I hadn't even applied yet.<br><br>Then she told me what the job was. Honestly, it would have been a *dream job* for me. Something I'd been working towards for years. Career growth, good pay, better pay as you move up, and a job that I truly would have enjoyed. If I'd had it, I'd have been the happiest man alive.<br><br>I was so excited while she was telling me about it. My wife could see the excitement in my face, came over and started listening. I told her what I was being told, and she was so, so proud of me.<br><br>Then the recruiter dropped the bomb. One of the senior people there, the manager of 4 teams, had just yelled at a newer employee for being too slow with his work, and he'd done it in front of the whole office, and it was a woman. He'd been doing that for a long time, and the owner of the company had simply written it off because he was a high performer, and had been for years. But this busted him big time, in front of everyone. They're so, so sorry, but they just don't think I'd be a good fit because of the management style there.<br><br>Can you imagine losing a dream job you've worked years for, because your manager can't control himself? Or because your boss doesn't take that shit seriously? Because it's okay to emotionally abuse your coworkers if you're important enough?<br><br>Being chronically, demonstrably rude on the job should be a fireable offense. It shouldn't matter if you're someone who brings in money for the company. You shouldn't have to be *caught* more than once, or even at all, before you're out the door. If you can't control yourself, you should never interact directly with anyone at work.<br><br>[Edit:] Okay, so the comments are starting to get off the rails here...<br><br>First: *Demonstrable rudeness* is the key phrase. I don't care if you're the most courteous, respectful person in the world. But if you regularly go off on your coworkers, and there's enough evidence to prove that you're doing that, get out. Period.<br><br>Second: I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here, but the *sort* of rudeness and the *sort* of abuse *also* matters. This manager was berating his employees for not working fast enough, and for 'making mistakes', which are imaginary. There's plenty of evidence this guy was running his teams into the ground and causing them massive stress just because he could. *That kind of treatment* should be punished with termination. If you're not doing that at your job, congratulations, you have CMV'd me into thinking you're a better person than I am.<br><br>Edit 2: I'd like to thank both parties for the awards. That being said, I'd like to clarify: this interaction has made me more determined than ever to fight for the dignity of all workers, and to fight against systemic and endemic abuse. If you think you have CMV'd me into supporting abuse, I'd be happy to let you down.<br><br>Edit 3: Hey, if you're a manager, and you're reading this, please take this interaction as a personal message from me, to you. *You are an instrument of evil, and you should not be allowed to live in a free society.*<br><br>Edit 4: Hey, if you're one of the people proving my point, know this: the day is coming when people will not stand for this. When we will not be oppressed, or abused. We will rise up against you, and you will fall. And when we do, there is nothing you can do but try and stop us. But we will be too strong. And then you will see, the true meaning of rudeness.

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